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Mark Bennett

This might be a good voir dire question: "folks, the government is going to produce evidence that Joe's BAC was X. So what are we doing here? Anyone?"

A Voice of Sanity

In 2006, there were 13,470 fatalities in crashes involving an alcohol-impaired driver (BAC of .08 or higher) – 32 percent of total traffic fatalities for the year.

16,005 people were killed in the United States in alcohol-related motor vehicle traffic crashes (BAC of .01 or higher).

A civil offense?

Robert Guest

One of the best DWI posts I've read this year. You can ignore the above posters death stats. Those are not DWI cases, those are intoxicated manslaughter. That's not a victimless crime. Too much MADD propaganda has made the public believe they are one in the same.

Victimless crime enforcement insults the criminal justice system and makes us less safe.

A Voice of Sanity

~~"You can ignore the above posters death stats. Those are not DWI cases, those are intoxicated manslaughter. That's not a victimless crime."~~

No, you can't ignore them. If there were 6 or 8 of your "intoxicated manslaughter" cases a year that argument might fly. But this isn't an oddity - it is a slaughter. It is 10 times the toll of 9/11 -- every year, year in and year out. How many people died as a result of lawn darts? Yet they were banned outright. I don't want to share the road with drunks - why do you?

Matlock

Thanks RG.

VOS,

I'm not saying that any type of Intox Manslaugter or Intox Assault should not be dealt with as a crime.

If the facts justify either of those charges, then so be it. But more and more, DWI is administrative rather than criminal. I would think the "law and order" crowd would be in favor of this because it would allow prosecutors to do what they should be doing, which is prosecuting crimes, rather than collecting taxes for the state.

A Voice of Sanity

My personal view is that if you can control your vehicle to the extent that you stay in your traffic lane, operate the signals correctly and otherwise don't hazard others then you may, perhaps, be dealt with administratively. However if you are unable to do that as evidenced by striking another object or inadvertently leaving your traffic lane then you are clearly too dangerous to be allowed to continue.

Edintally

VoS,

"Alcohol-related accidents are often mistakenly confused with alcohol-caused accidents.

Nationally, 12.8% of all drivers involved in fatal accidents during 2001 are known to have been intoxicated according to the blood alcohol concentration (BAC laws) of their state. This number is based on a systematic examination of the official records of each and every accident involving a fatality during that year in the US."

"In 2005, nearly 1.4 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics (Department of Justice 2005). That’s less than one percent of the 159 million self-reported episodes of alcohol–impaired driving among U.S. adults each year (Quinlan et al. 2005)."

So millions of Americans have been arrested for drunk driving with no significant decrease in the number of total accidents, no significant decrease in the number of fatalities and all it cost us is 100s of millions of dollars in fines and the degradation of our 4th Amendment rights?!

That horn your blowing plays a pathetic tune.

Roderick White

The DWI industry here in Texas employs hundreds (if not tousands) of people. Texas is known for being tough on crime (all crime). The number of DWI arrets and prosecutions are quickly becoming riculous. While this is truly a bad thing hopefully some good will eventually come of it. Overly aggressive DWI investigation and prosecution will expose more people and their families to just how screwed up the entire criminal justice really is. Too many jurors think only "bad guys" end up in criminal court beacuse criminal charges never hit close to home. DWI is probably the only criminal law that is not enforced in a discriminatory manner. Before the Texas Criminal Justice system will ever be fixed, more middle and upper middle-class white people need to be forced to see just how dishonest and discriminatory street-level cops can be. Aggressive DWI arrests and prosecutions will eventually piss enough people off so that we will all eventually demand more of law enforcement.

I am ashamed to admit that I truly believe it has to get worse before it gets any better.

Regarding the last DWI trial previously discussed...What we truly need is pool of jurors that have not been made completely biased by DPS and MADD propaganda.

Joel Rosenberg

I'm confused, which I guess isn't unusual. If we can agree that deliberate, reckless behavior that endangers others can be criminal, even if nobody actually gets hurt, shouldn't DWI be a crime? And, if we can't, should, say, reckless discharge of a firearm in city limits be treated as an administrative issue only, and not as a criminal matter?

I understand that reasonable people can disagree about both the accuracy (or honesty) of cops' observations or BAC tests; got that. But, MADD hysteria aside, isn't it a terribly irresponsible thing to be driving drunk, even if (as apparently happens most of the time), the drunk driver doesn't actually hit anybody?

Marc

I was very excited because I thought I had found a great new career opportunity in the medical field in Surgical Technology. I really need a career change. I'd been researching it for a while, talked to people in the field, etc. I was becoming very serious about it. However, when I looked at the admission requirements, I read that a criminal background check would be conducted, and that no prospective students with a misdemeanor on their record within the past 10 years would be accepted into the program. I got a DUI in North Carolina back in 2002. Besides that, nothing...ever. I was an occasional drinker at the time, and I barely ever drink at all now. By the way, I passed the field sobriety tests with flying colors. The officer admitted that but then insisted we do a breathalyzer. I refused it in light of the fact that he admitted that I seemed sober. I was still convicted.


That DUI completely killed the only career opportunity that I've ever truly been excited about (I've researched many, many career paths over the course of about 6 years). I am totally deflated about this.


A DUI can haunt you long after it's happened. I don't think that's fair. Besides that DUI, I've done everything right in my life. I made one mistake, and now I'm paying dearly for it.


I feel that, over the years, maybe we've gone too far and created an environment where you are never forgiven for a DUI offense.

Robert Stewart

My last bout with a duii. I was stopped and hadn't been in any trouble in close to a decade. No criminal history whatsoever and I have already paid dearly through the course of my life via small town harassment. Thinking they were gathering up the criminal element I suppose. Hell, I don't lie, cheat or steal and I haven't a violent bone in my body. I rarely drink and rarely visit a pub. My last two offenses were so outrageous I was infuriated. One was on private property 1 mile from any paved road. The officer was checking campfires and saw beer cans. I had been invited to go overnight catfishing. I really let him have it and a test never came to fruition. I was only seen from a distance backing my truck up so the tailgate could be used as a seat. The other case is even worse both over 5 years old. I changed my residency over it but got stopped recently in Oregon. I knew I had been drinking but you would have thought I had robbed Wells Fargo. Oh Boy I got me a big one! I was licensed, insured, registered and two blocks from my house. I am now jobless. Had my vehicle towed and a lifetime suspension applied using the tickets from the state of Idaho to enhance the penalty. Thing is, I got the 'fair' judge. The minimal sentence as they might see it. Not I! This is akin to Nazi Germany and anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. MADD members should be embarassed. Those statitics.. did they tell you they include snowmobiles? Did they tell you they include sober drivers who hit not sober pedestrians. They used lies to gather them and that has been documented.

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Good post on DWI..

sagesagar

Thanks for your info. The number of DWI arrets and prosecutions are quickly becoming riculous.

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Hell, I don't lie, cheat or steal and I haven't a violent bone in my body. I rarely drink and rarely visit a pub.

anonymous

Agree completely with the opinion rendered. Yes I have had a DWI and no I do not condone the act. However, the witch hunt is getting ridiculous.

A DWI that does not result in damage to property or injury to another or yourself should absolutely be an admistrative issue. I also agree with the 3 strikes your out policy for repeat offenders who do not do injury or damage. There is more damage done to a state with lack of income tax revenue when a perfectly competent and skilled worker cannot find work due to the scarlet letter applied. The system is broken

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Cris

Finally- someone who realizes that this has turned into a $ making venture and is not about imposing justice. The fact is that many factors cause accidents. Drinking is not illegal- driving is not illegal...but when combined they can be dangerous- that is understood. Unfortunately you can not prove "intention" when someone is drunk. Most don't realize the danger involved- esp. when drunk. I think that someone should be convicted of a crime when they actually commit one- hitting someone, hitting another car or other structure, etc. This whole idea of "let's criminalize behavior that leads to potential injury." For instance...Physical Control- how exactly does that work?

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Paul (a.k.a. the defense lawyers' best friend)

I also believe that not only DWI laws are victimless, just like the drug laws are victimless, but also speeding citations are victimless, since there generally isn't a victim, and by victim I mean a human being. To me, arresting someone and preventing them from driving because they are over a BAC limit is like arresting someone who is carrying a gun and saying they might shoot and kill someone. In fact, if I'm ever on a Jury and someone is being charged with any of these crimes, or any victimless crime for that matter, I would find them NOT GUILTY on all charges. Only when an actual victim is involved and harmed, and again victim meaning a human being, or if property damage occurs, should they be tried criminally.

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